HuffPost reporter Daniel Marans spoke with a former Trump voter Tuesday outside the Luzerne County building in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania prior to the president’s rally. There was a long line of early voters with much of the queue taking place inside.

Many of them were wearing the familiar clothing that is typical of Trump supporters: Make America Great; Don’t Be A Chump, Vote Trump. Some wore shirts captioned, “Obama Sucks, And Hillary Too. One woman wore a shirt with a picture of Democratic Candidate  Joe Biden with the caption, “Vote Trump, Not Sleepy Joe, He’ll Just Fall Asleep In The White House And Never Wake Up. Many of them carried United States and Confederate flags.

Marans spoke to one particular Trump voter now planning to vote for Biden. Michael Scott, a chef by trade, who was present with his wife Lee Kuczynski, a food service worker and a Biden supporter. Both were wearing masks.

“What is it that turned you off to Trump and made you want to vote for Biden?” Marans wanted to know. “Was it his dishonesty, his compulsive lying?”

“No… not really,” Scott said. “Some people think all he does is lie, and he does, I will admit that, he lies a lot, but sometimes I think he’s just stretching the truth a bit. You can’t really call it lying.”

“Uh, yeah, you can call it lying,” his wife Lee said.

“Whatever.”

“Was it the grabbing them by the you-know-what tape?”

“Are you kidding me? I wouldn’t hold that against him. I’ve grabbed quite a few in my time,” Scott said laughing. “I grab hers all the time.” He made a playful swipe at his wife’s crotch. She too laughed, swatting his hand away.

“Was it his coronavirus response?”

“No way. It was first rate. His response to the pandemic was so much better than Obama and Sleepy Joe’s to the Ebola crises.”

Marans reminded him that over 200,000 have so far died of COVID-19, and two died of Ebola.

Scott shrugged. “Well…so they say.”

Marans looked bewildered. “Was it when he started calling Joe Biden, ‘Sleepy Joe’?


“Nope. I think it’s a good name for him, don’t you think? I mean, he looks like a Sleepy Joe. In fact, he looks like that Looney Toons character, Sleepy Time Possom, especially when he dozes off.”

“Was it his racism? Calling Mexicans rapists and murderers?”

“Not really. But I think there was some truth to what he said. I mean, they are coming here to steal our jobs, right? And, in addition to drinking all our beer, I heard according to Q, they want to impregnate our dogs and cats, and eat new born babies.”

“You don’t really believe that, do you?”

Scott shrugged. “I don’t know. It’s a possibility. I mean, Pizza Gate turned out to be true.”

“Marans looked at Scott if he had just taken a bite out of a really bad fruitcake. “It was proven to be a hoax,” he said.

“That’s your opinion.”

He turned to Lee. “You don’t believe any of that, do you?”

“Do I look crazy to you?” she said.

“Why would they want to do that?”

Scott shrugged again. “I don’t know. You’ll have to ask Q. Only he knows.”

“Alright… so what was it that made you decide to vote for Joe Biden?”

“Well, for me it was the first time he put on a mask -”

“You mean Trump, not Biden?”

“Right, and he was always saying, masks don’t work, masks don’t work, and now he puts on a mask. I don’t get it. What’s up with that?”

“I don’t get it either,” Marans said. “Why would that make you vote for Biden, and why are you wearing a mask?”

Scott shrugged. “I don’t know. You’ll have to ask Q. Only he knows.”